Wolfgang Laib. Installing Pollen from Hazelnut in the Marron Atrium at The Museum of Modern Art, 2013. Photograph by Jason Mandella. 

Wolfgang Laib's sculptural materials include beeswax, pollen, stone, milk and rice. Beeswax is used in large amounts to build towering ziggurat sculptures and caves, such as the one he constructed in the French Pyrenees, which is accessible only by footpath. Pollen, on the other hand, is available in only small amounts, and he collects it over many years from the bushes and wildflower fields surrounding his exquisite German home. For him, these substances are not a means toward creating art, but the art itself.

Though trained as a doctor, Laib changed his direction after medical school and began creating his now iconic "milkstones," slabs of polished marble with a thin layer of fresh milk sitting atop their surfaces. His work emits a subtle spiritual resonance, as does Laib himself, who speaks simply and with monastic restraint. In addition to his home in Hochdorf, Germany, he divides his time between an apartment in Manhattan and a small village in India.


Laib met with A.i.A. in the atrium at MoMA, where his largest hazelnut pollen installation is on view through Mar. 11. He will continue to maintain and clean the pollen every few days until the exhibition closes, at which point he will retrieve the material and recycle it for his next installation.


ROSS SIMONINI
How did you come to be an artist?

WOLFGANG LAIB
I began to study medicine, but I was dissatisfied with it. The more I went into the world, the more I felt that art is the most important thing, and therefore I became an artist.

SIMONINI
Why did you think art is important?

LAIB
Because, somehow, it includes everything. Medicine is a natural science, and politics does a certain thing, but art is something that is so open, and has so many potentials. I think science can be incredibly good, but it's very narrow.

SIMONINI
How do you view the current art world?

LAIB
I feel much more close to art which happened 2,000 years ago in Asia or in Africa. I think we came to the point where every other year, or every other week, something has to happen. But that's a disaster. And somehow, I feel the opposite. When I go to the Metropolitan Museum, I feel very close to something 2,000 years old. Like Egyptian art, or a Mesopotamian art, or something which is very far from our own culture, but which is a challenge to our thinking.

SIMONINI
For you, does your work have a relationship to 20th-century art?

LAIB
No. Of course, an art historian can say, this has a relationship to Joseph Beuys, which is most probably correct, but from my side, it's very important to create something from my inner self.

SIMONINI
Do you feel any connection to Germany?

LAIB
No. The Germans don't want to be German at all, but there is a very long tradition of German philosophy and German thought, which I am very close to.

SIMONINI
Would you say that there is a lot of thought and philosophy in your work?

LAIB
I mean, you could see a pollen piece and you could have a visual experience. It's an incredible color, like you can't see anywhere else, but if art would be only a visual thing, or a color, or a pigment, I wouldn't be an artist, I wouldn't want to be an artist. A milkstone is not a white painting, and a pollen field is not a yellow painting, like Rothko's. It's something much, much more. And it's also not a blue painting. It's like the blue sky.

SIMONINI
But at the same time, you seem resistant to talking about your art in terms of the thought behind it.

LAIB
I want to leave it open. Therefore I would never give a really honest talk. It's also not very important what I feel is behind the work. It is what it is. It's not even important what I have to say about it. It's important that I put it into this context, into the art world.

SIMONINI
Do you have a resistance to language?

LAIB
No, I think from the artist's side, if I were to say too much it would be problematic. But from the outside, there can be

SIMONINI
Lots of language?

LAIB
Yes.

SIMONINI
That doesn't bother you? Critical discourse about your work?

LAIB
Not at all.

SIMONINI
A lot of connections are made between your practice as a doctor and your work. Do you think you apply the kind of thinking you learned in school to your work?

LAIB
I think I never changed my profession. I feel I did with my art what I wanted to do as a doctor. That is, for me, very important. And somehow people from the outside think that it is totally separate, but for me it is not. And I could not have done this work without studying medicine. The milkstone was really the direct answer to my medical studies. There was so much tension built up, over these years, and I could finally say everything I wanted to say, in a very simple artwork. The doctor today is somehow responsible for your physical body, he studies your lab tests and this and that, but beyond this, he has no idea how to handle the person.

SIMONINI
You often use the word "beautiful" to describe your work.

LAIB
Artists hate that word, especially German artists. If you wanted to be really hated in Germany, then you would say, "My work is beautiful." German artists believe in ugliness and nastiness. I think beauty can be something extremely important in our lives. And it's not true that this is naive. This is what is the most needed: inner beauty and outer beauty, which is an incredible challenge for us.

SIMONINI
Are you interested in your work affecting larger groups of people in some way, as a social change? Is this interesting to you?

LAIB
Yes. I find that such a pollen piece here, in the main space of MoMA, is a real statement, not only by me, the artist, but also by the museum. This is something that is very challenging. It seems so simple, it's just a yellow square, but if you really think what it is, and what is behind it, then it's a real challenge to everything in the world. So it's a real social challenge, on many levels.

SIMONINI
Have you seen work that has been a sort of catalyst for the change you are interested in?

LAIB
I find that art is always much more important than politics. There are wars, and the kings do this or that, but I think art and culture has much more impact on the changing of humanity.